LR:
Okay, now officially, this is Brenda Kunneman. She and her husband Hank are pastors of the church, The Lord of Host Church, in Omaha, Nebraska, One Voice Ministry, if you want to go on the website, ovm.org, and her sister Christy, the chef of the family.
BK:
Yes, she is, extraordinaire.
LR:
She is great. Well, let me tell you what really happened. We went up to Omaha to preach in your church and, you know, I tell you something began to transform at that church. We were ready to minister, and as we were getting ready to minister, Christy starts singing. And I’ll tell you something, the Spirit of the Lord, it was as though—you know when the Bible talks about a descending? You could just feel it descending down. It was amazing.
And so, I tell you, you take a team like your teaching, your preaching, your husband’s preaching and his prophetic ministry and you and your husband in worship, and you get a whole package—I’ll tell you what, when that happens.
Newest book, the newest book you’ve called The Supernatural You, living from the well of God’s Spirit within you, you were talking about divine disruption. Many times we talk about disruptions in our life, and we think, Oh, why did God do this to me?, when, in fact, God didn’t do something to you. He is saving you from something.
And we have to recognize through the Holy Spirit, through listening to the voice of God, what’s the difference between a divine disaster, or a divine disruption, where God himself says, “Pumpkin, I’m saving you from something.”
BK:
Well, you know, I’m thinking about the children of Israel, you know, because the Bible said what happened to them happened for our example. So, Lindsay, when I think about a divine disruption, I think about them. God was taking them out of Egypt into the Promised Land.
LR:
And it looked like a disaster.
BK:
That’s right. And they went out. But if you study the children of Israel, even though they were in the wilderness, nothing bad had happened to them. God was providing for them. He was taking care of them. But the disruption was that God didn’t tell them that there was a process to come out of Egypt into the Promised Land. There was a process. They had to sit on a few brown rocks along the way. They had to trust God for their food. They had to trust God for their provisions, you know.
And I know there’s people watching today who they’re trusting God for the provision and they’re asking God, “God, what’s going on? You gave me this promise. You told me the destiny. I’ve had prophetic words. I’ve trusted the Scripture.”
LR:
And of course we want it to happen in 37 seconds or less. Really less.
BK:
Yes, probably less, probably by the time the church service is over—
LR:
We walk out, and it’s all done.
BK:
That’s right. But we don’t realize there’s a process that has to happen. And what God is doing is, He’s building you with the anointing and His presence so you can handle the greatness.
LR:
When things hit, you might have been prepared.
BK:
That’s exactly right. And God’s things are precious. The greatness of the anointing of God, the greatness of His anointing is something that He wants to manifest through every believer. I talk about in the book that every believer has an anointing. Every believer possesses the power of God in their life to manifest miracles, to do the works of Jesus, to see the sick healed.
But the process of developing into that sometimes requires some disruptions. It happened with the prophet Elijah.
LR:
We want fairy dust and, what is that, tiptoe through the tulips.
BK:
God disrupted the children of Israel so that they could get ready for what was to take place.
LR:
Remember when the Scripture says, you know, “Don’t let the foot say, I have no need of the hand. Don’t let the hand say”—you know, if we’re all ears, who speaks? If we’re all mouthpieces, we can’t hear. Everybody has their individual part to play.
Now you take that thought and you couple it with line upon line, precept upon precept. It’s like building blocks. Okay, so here’s Christy in the church, you are sisters in the church, and so instead of saying, “You know, I want to be the worship leader.” “Well, I want to preach.” How is it that you find that place of where—here’s the key word, big word, four letters—your anointing is?
Now you may think, Oh, but that anointing was so much more fun. Or, I don’t want to be on television. You know what I’m saying? Everybody thinks they have their perception of what their place should be.
BK:
. . . disruption.
LR:
Yes. How is it that God gets our attention, and how do we know it’s God and not the devil disrupting us to get us into that position of divine place?
BK:
Well, one thing I know for us is, the biggest thing—and we grew up together—is our hunger has always been first the kingdom, first the kingdom. We share and we talk. We’re hungry first for the kingdom. And I know that there’s times we have these conversations.
CH:
Yes, we have.
BK:
And we have talked about how do you find your place in God? And if you’re in that 100 percent pursuit of the kingdom, you’ll know. You know, the Bible says, “The steps of a good man are ordered.” And so if you’re in pursuit of the kingdom, you know when you’re still on God’s path. Something in you, that anointing in you, it leads you. The Bible says we have an unction from the Holy One, an anointing. It leads you into truth. You know even when God is just messing with you a little bit to lead you into that promise. And we’ve had this—
CH:
Well, sometimes people get to where they’re so determined that somebody else’s gift is so much better than theirs, that their peace is not that important. And we don’t realize that when we fulfill what God has called us to do, we function in that. A lot of times it’s a lot easier than trying to fit a mold that doesn’t fit us.
BK:
And that’s what produces the anointing.
LR:
Square peg in a round hole.
BK:
And that’s what produces the supernatural out of you. That’s what brings forth the miracles.
LR:
Remember the scriptures throughout the Old Testament where much of the battle did not happen until the worshippers went first. It’s very clear that worship opens the door, clears a pathway, if I can say it properly, opens that pathway when there is going to be spiritual warfare.
Listen, you get in the pulpit and know there are people in your audience that may be demon possessed, there may be people that need healing, people that may be suicidal, people that may be depressed, and you have that locked in your brain and you’re getting ready to prepare the place.
Now forgive me for saying this and, no, it was not at their church. Let’s preface that. I was sitting down one time, and I’m telling you, it was not worship. It was, excuse me for saying it, it was funereal. And a guy stood next to me, and he turned to me—now I am trying my best to keep face. I’m the preacher, and I am trying. The guy leans over to me and says “When do we view the body?”
And I tell you something, you can feel the atmosphere damaging what God was trying to do because they were trying to show off their performance. And it wasn’t working. But when you are in your place, in your anointing, in your gifting, not only—I’m really sensitive in the fact that I believe worship does open that door—then you can walk in and do whatever God needs to do in that service.
BK:
Well, let me brag on Pastor Shane and Christy for just a minute.
LR:
Shane is her husband.
BK:
Shane is her husband. One of our dear friends is Marilyn Hickey.
LR:
Yes. She literally is like a mother to me.
BK:
She is. I think she’s a mother to the whole body of Christ. And, Marilyn, if you’re watching, we love you for that. She told us one of the things she loved about Pastor Shane and Christy, she said, “I love your prophetic sense to fill the atmosphere.” And, I’m telling you, that’s where the miracles are. They are literally just supernaturally bringing you in the praise and worship dimension. I’m telling you, they have been largely the instrument of helping to produce the anointing in the church. And we so love them for that because we’ve seen people healed. I mean—
CH:
Well, Pastor Hank and Pastor Brenda provide an incredible atmosphere to minister in anyway.
LR:
See, it is a hand and a foot and an eye. And, you know, your ushers were wonderful. Now my husband, Richard Roberts, when he’s praying, there’s—I want to call it a healing line. All I can tell you is, there were masses of people getting healed, and it was like, “Oh, mercy, what’s going on?” It was like a wave and a rush of healing.
BK:
Oh, we had a good time.
LR:
But you know what? It was so controlled. And the Holy Spirit was moving, and here are the ushers taking their rightful place and rightful seat of authority.
The Bible talks about doing things with decency and order. And I do believe that there is an order and a decency that when we follow the line upon line of the Bible, something begins to happen supernaturally. It’s like we open that wellspring and say, “Here’s a place where You can now take over, Holy Spirit.”
BK:
And there is a place, Lindsay, for every member of the body of Christ. You’re probably sitting at home and you’re thinking, What’s my part? I feel like the pinky toe, is my favorite saying, the pinky toe of the body of Christ. I’m not even sure I have an important part. No, you are supernatural. You have a supernatural anointing to do just as much. You are a part of the miracles of Jesus.
And so every one of us has that place. And when we get in our function—don’t try to be somebody else. You don’t have to. You’re supernatural by yourself.
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